Whispers Forum

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This is an entirely feasible idea . It was implemented in the Indian Armed Forces in 1947 by setting up the National Defence Academy . This was first called JSW, in Dehradun before shifting it to Pune . The enrollment of officers starts with a UPSC examination after High School qualification by candidates . After Services Selection Board , interviews and Medical examination for fitness , a merit list is drawn up . The first 300 plus candidates are selected for joining NDA Kharavasla . This is done twice a year . The future officers of the Army , Navy , Air force are trained academically and in service subjects there which includes rigorous physical training from 6am to 10 pm every day for three years. The final Academic Exams are conducted by JNU , New Delhi . All officers must qualify this exam to get a Bachelors Degree. All officers then go to IMA / Naval Academy / Air force Academy for individual service training . On successful completion , the officers opt to become Engineers , Pilots , Armoured Corps , Infantry , Naval Surface Warfare Officers , Logistics Officers , JAG , Submariners , Air Navigation Specialists , and many such deep sub - specialisations for their future growth in the Army , Navy , Airforce. The officers remain in their respective sub specialties for about 20-25 years . As they reach the higher echelons of their service they once again mingle at National Defence College level . The officers are now being groomed for Higher Command in inter Service appointments say Flag Officer Commanding in A&N Islands / COMMANDANT NDA / COMMANDANT NDC / Flag Officer Commanding Strategic Forces and so on . Can this model which has successfully protected and guided India since 1947 be emulated in Civil Services? Of course it can for in the past when major strikes take place in the country , who runs the administration under ESMA ? The officers and men of the Army / Navy and Air force. They have run ports , factories , cities, maintained law and order in Bombay for example, and many more areas . The Indian Armed Forces Model is worth emulating by the Civil Services too . It must start at the very beginning when candidates are selected for LBS Mussorie.
Devindra Sethi
Handling of riots
While the entire world was looking towards India, its soft power and the great friendship between two great leaders Donald trump and Narendra Modi, the Home Minister Amit Shah was busy with the top security arrangements for the high profile visit. Most in the capital believe that the riot is a conspiracy to defame the country, its leaders and rob the country of its economic progress and investment climate. The country still has some brave and farsighted IPS officers who go beyond the line of duty like NSA Ajit Doval who had the courage to walk through the most affected areas and control the situation bringing great relief and assurance to Delhi citizens. This type of proactive leadership was missing in 1984 and thousands of Sikh brothers and sisters lost life.
Saboo
Withdraw Transport Allowance
When the Delhi Chief Minister has announced free DTC bus ride for women folk, then a strong case arises for taking away of 'Transport Allowance' from all women folk of the city who get it along with their monthly salary. You cannot reap two benefits from the exchequer for one purpose.
BBS

DEBATE (1) One Nation One Civil Service
This idea is neither practical nor desirable. Every service has a role to play in their own distinct field. There are certain checks and balances which some services like Indian Audit &Accounts service or other Accounts services like Indian Defence Accounts Service, Indian Civil Accounts service keep on spending departments. Once becoming part of one service everyone loses its identity. Do we merge Indian Revenue Service both Income tax and Customs and GST with all the services. How can it work. Instead of having specialists for the field one is recruited they all become jack of all trades master of none. This is a weird idea which if pursued will mean end of a well set ,well established and well defined system of administration. Already immense damage has been done to the Railway Administration by announcing off the cuff merger of all Group A services which include five Engineering services and three Group A services which are part of Civil Services Examination. For creation of any service first the Recruitment Rules are framed. Here we create a service without application of mind to what contours the service will have. The decision on the Railways has played havoc with the careers of civil servants. In the long run it is bound to create mess and confusion not conducive to the smooth run of the organisation. To replicate it on the entire bureaucracy is ill-advised and not workable at all.
Aarti Khosla
Respect dignity of the individual
It is past 70 years since the Constitution of India came in to force. People, who had suffered long slavery, humiliation of the individual, poverty, surviving malignant and hugely corrupt regimes and unable to pursue livelihood or business of choice felt elated when it assured dignity of the individual among other hopes raised by the opening words of the preamble. It is disheartening to note that individual dignity has suffered most in the journey of democracy in India in these seven decades. It is not only the political corpus which hurts dignity of the individual, instances of bureaucratic attempts at misconstruing the words & expressions of the law are aplenty which make living of the individual miserable and doing business almost impossible. It falls on the shoulders of the judiciary to deliver justice to the individual from small things like cleaning sewers, streets and public toilets to actual heinous crimes against the dignity of the person. It only adds insult to the injury if the Nirbhaya case is taken as a test case. Can there be any worse attack on the dignity of a person than rape? Even after the sentence is pronounced, it remains un-implemented under the guise of rights of the guilty and only delays justice to the victim and restore her dignity even when the public opinion strongly seeks swift punishment. Delay of the kind in rape cases is nothing more than repeated assault on the dignity of the individual. Individual dignity is torn to pieces in courts/quasi-judicial fora by lying litigants or their advocates. Surely, the Anglo-saxon jurisprudence has completely failed India, which had practiced stouter justice administration practices like the Panchayat/ refined as Nyaya Panchayat. It can be formalised to hear cases on day-to-day basis and can be presided by a qualified judge eligible to adorn the High Court/Supreme Court Bench. We have fire/medical emergency functioning 24x7 and ICU/ICCU. Similar facility can be created for crimes like rape and gang rape to protect the dignity of the individual guaranteed by the constitution without curtailing the rights of the criminals, which will deter such heinous violations of individual dignity by the swift remedy provided by the law and justice in India. Everyone entering a public office, elected or appointed is bound to adhere to, state, tell or uphold the truth to do justice to all as enshrined in the preamble, but tend to forget it in actual practice. In the process, dignity is the first casualty. Such a situation breeds inefficiency, delay, loss of productivity, corruption etc. paralysing governance ultimately. The country has experienced in these seven decades growth of corruption and decline of ease of doing business and unhappiness for the people facing difficulty in day-to-day living. Is it too much to ask the parliament and state assemblies, governments of the union and states, judiciary from the Supreme Court down to magistracy and public servants to respect the dignity of the individual and create an environment of ease of doing business and ease of living in India?
M L Gupta
Agony of officers
Thank you for publishing the agony of officers deferred for promotion despite nothing pending against them. Has the DoPT amended rules only for IRS ? Persons with CBI charge sheet are getting promoted in IPS whereas IRS officers are being humiliated by deferring promotions. Does deferring has legal sanction as per DoPT rules ? Rule of law has no place in this administration.
Kumar

It won't happen. Govt has not been able to push All India Judicial Service since 1961, inspite of Emergency and Rajiv Gandhi coming in with crushing majority.
States will never agree.
Also Central Government has not been able to make one service for gr B and below.
There is no difficulty in doing it.
Appraisers, Inspector/Supdt in Customs & GST are enjoying seniority per Commissionerate and not on all India basis.
A Agnihotri
Reservation Policy should have been discontinued
The Reservation Policy should have been discontinued long ago with a legal condition that the wards of these SC/ST/OBC would be accepted in matrimonials by the upper castes. This is one of the surest weapons to mitigate the caste system and the reservation. The caste system is eating the roots of a Sovereign, Secular, Socialist and Democratic India. The sooner it is abolished, the better with the above-mentioned legal provision. It will be the real Equality of the Equals.
Zile

DEBATE(1)
Complete mismanagement and ordeal.
Harpal Singh
DEBATE (2)
This is like saying one nation one ministry
However merger of services with similar functions is the need of the hour.All India services should be merged. There is no ground for one particular service hogging all the limelight and promotions. Merger of 8 railway services is a laudable step. Similarly all accounts based services should be merged-defence, civil, audit and accounts, cost accounts service etc. Customs and income tax services should be merged. Indian Economic and Statistical services, postal and telecom services be merged etc. There is an urgent need for overhaul of recruitment process which is long, laborious and encourages rattu totas with average intelligence. A lot of the current lot of officers are under utilised, doing repetitive work, almost redundant and deadwood by the time they spend 10 years in service. A bunch of officers are kept engaged for a work item which can easily be delivered by one officer. The evaluation system of annual confidential reports does not give a correct evaluation of the officer. It is just a reflection of the buttering, back biting and scratch my back and I scratch yours. Officers have retired at very senior posts including FA in key infrastructure ministries with disastrous results in performance and revenue downslide in the ministry witnessed during their tenure, with no questions asked. In this kind of a comfortable scenario , lining your own pockets especially before retirement is a prime mover. Urgent overhaul of recruitment, training, merger and streamlining of services is the need of the hour without further delay.
Ramesh Sinha
Merge MoD with DMA
The MoD should be merged with the DMA and handed over to the men in uniform.
Amitabh Agrawal

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My compliments for a Trust worthy ,very accurate and informative web site. I want to go a step ahead by suggesting to do away with present day egoistic and negative mindset babugiri. They are ruining the country and creating a very negative atmosphere in the country. You can bring in people specialised in the field of administration. You can have Indian Administrative Medical Service, Indian Administrative Defense services, Indian Administrative economic / Financial services. But you can’t have a defense or Health Secretary coming in from Fisheries or Agriculture ministry, .Such people should have served in Defense forces or Medical professional..
Virender Gupta
Maj Gen & above rank officers in MoD as Joint Secretaries ?
It is good. Professionalism must be encouraged.
Rajesh Gupta
“Bajrangi Bhaijaan”
CM Kejriwal orders "Sundarkand path” to be organised by Delhi’s law makers every Tuesday, ostensibly to please Bajrangbali. But, secret motive is just the opposite: Capture hindu votes. The neo-Bhakti movement is to be funded out of public exchequer of NCT Delhi.
Not to lag behind, CM UP earmarks Rs 200 crores in UP's next year's budget for building Ram temple in Ayodhya.
With the Forty-second Amendment of the Constitution of India enacted in 1976, the Preamble to the Constitution makes India a secular Republic.
Against this background, what happens to secular credentials of both the ruling dispensations ?
Monumental electoral frauds. Hypocrisy galore.
The C&AG, as custodian of public expenditure , remains the mute witness, as always, forgetting its Constitutional obligations.
A K Saxena (A former civil servant)

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In continuation of my earlier debate point, I wish to suggest new Group A Expert Civil Services in following manner :
a) Indian Natural Resources Services - Policy matters and Infrastructure for Agriculture , Soil , Seed , Horticulture , Forest , ZOO , Wildlife , Water , Animal wealth etc ,Mines /Minerals ,Ground Water ,Weather
b) Indian Health Service - Policy matters and Infrastructure for Health/Medical Education , Hospitals ,Wellness Centre , Diagnostics Centre , Health Care Trade and Industry
c) Indian Education Service - Policy matters and Infrastructure for Universities , Schools , Colleges , Teachers , Students etc
d) Indian Defence Service - Airforce , Army , Navy , BSF ,CISF ,Police
e) Indian Revenue Service - One service only after merging -CBDT+CBIC+DGFT into one
f) Indian Audit Service - Only one service after merging all audit services
h) Indian Communication Service - All India Radio + Doordarshan + Information Tech + Digital Network + Media + Mobile Service
i) Indian Social Service - Here services of retired Bureaucrats , Professional from Trade and Industry may be used in Niti Aayog , Ministries, Universities , Schools, Religious Places ,Dispute Resolutions, Courts etc
k) Indian Transport Service - Railways , Airline , Ship , Roadways
l) Indian Business Development Service - To develop manufacturing / markets in Rural, Semi Urban/Urban Areas ,Hill Areas ,Border Areas etc
S. Bhatnagar

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Though nothing wrong with it but not possible in this vast country. Every service needs specialisation.
N K Singh IPS (RETD)
Raaj-hath, the Royal Obstinacy
Redevelopment of Central Secretariat complex and Central Vista would mean demolition of Parliament House and other prestigious office buildings including Udyog, Krishi, Nirman, Shastri Bhawans and various ancillary structures Lutyens Zone — an integral part of the history of New Delhi.
In October 2019, CPWD awarded the project to a Gujarat-based company HCP Designs.
The same company had revamped Kashi Vishwanath corridor in Varanasi and the new BJP headquarters in Rouse Avenue Delhi.
All of us have grown watching these elegant buildings
Now, there will be a single triangular composite building to accommodate all ministries.
Security will be compromised by locating all ministries in a single building. A separate Parliament house will be constructed. Work will start in May 2020 and completed in 2024.
The new structures will rob the area of much of its heritage importance. Public was not consulted despite being the largest stake-holders. Sheer waste of public resources that could be diverted to strengthen existing infrastructures.
There will be utter chaos ,dislocation during the period of construction roads, clogging with traffic congestions during the three years period of construction.
PM Modi is hell-bent on undertaking the project, come what may.
An instance of Raajhath, the Royal Obstinacy. A One-man show.
A K Saxena (A former civil servant)

DEBATE(1)
Debate – ‘One Civil Service , One Nation’ appears to be very good but not in line with ground realities. Needless to mention here that People of India wish and would love to welcome Citizen Centric Expert Civil Services ( sector wise ) with high degree of moral values.
Further , in my opinion , it would be more ideal if present day Ministries structure need to be reworked urgently according to present and future requirement of Infrastructure , Law & Order , Agriculture , Education , Health , Defence , Security , Revenue , Citizens etc in the light of changed scenerio and present day circumstances which is not possible without high degree moral values.
S Bhatnagar
"Don’t allow merit to become casualty”
Supreme court's in its Feb 7 Landmark judgement slammed the State government against misuse of Reservation policy.Its operative portion is re-produced below :
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" The State government ( Uttarakhand) is not bound to provide reservation for appointments and promotions to public posts and that an individual does not have a fundamental right to claim such quotas "
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In the light of the above SC 's verdict , the Centre must scrap Reservation policy in its present form across the board. This is an politico-electoral fraud to promote vote bank politics. Indian citizens dream for a casteless, classless society. The existing discriminatory policy violates Right to Equality, enshrined in the Constitution of India.
Reservation policy is not provided by the Constitution. Its duration is being continued after every ten years. Successive political Executives ,for fear of losing Vote banks, have been extending the tenure of such despicable practice decennially. Obnoxious practice that promotes mediocrity. Merit becomes the casualty.
Following course is suggested :-
( a) Restrict benefits to only one generation of all communities ;
(b) Let us extend the benefits to one generation alone of all communities ie SC,ST ,OBC, and those with bench-marked Disability;
( c) Failing (a) and (b) , orders must be taken to disenfranchise all those who continue to receive reservation benefits in violation of above rules and by suppressing the facts;
If India wants to become a superpower, annihilate castes distinctions and stopping doles of reservation benefits.
PM Modi must support meritorious bureaucracy or meritocracy in the national interests.
Let us recall Singapore's late founder Lee Kuan Yew ( 1923 – 2015) sharp tirade against India's Reservation policy responsible for slowing down its economy. He advised against the regular misuse of the policy by India. He was the first Prime Minister who transformed Singapore from a small port city into a wealthy global hub.
The Law makers and the ruling political Executive are urged to be circumspect before embarking upon filing an SLP in the Apex court or even taking recourse to Legislative route to supersede SC’s verdict.
Enough is enough. The on-going protestations may snowball into a revolution to teach the politicians a lesson. This is the ground reality.
A K Saxena (A former civil servant)

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1. Saving of money and efforts of government
2. Saving on part of candidates also
3. Synchronization between different services as foundation course will be one
4. No issue of same date different exam
5. All civil services will start at same time so no issue of delay in some civil service
Thank you
Preetinder Rajput
Revenue dept in pathetic state
In so far as D/o Revenue is concerned the management of this Department has been very pathetic for decades. This is the department which generates the revenue and your handling of it has been worst than a municipal corporation. The appointments are done on whims and fancies. The rules are often changed according to circumstances. The posts of most of the Members are always vacant by design. Why can’t these be filled in advance, why Chairman posts in both CBEC and CBDT has been made a tool, why can’t regular officers who have put in more than 30 years of service could not find favour with the system and the retired are preferred over the serving. Members are taking voluntary retirement due to supersession, why don’t you remove them if they are incompetent, there is rot in the system and reality is not being projected to the higher ups. Recently in CBEC Adhoc arrangement was made to appoint Chairman and when he was considered one of the best man suited to the job overnight he was removed just 12 hrs before the budget by substituting the junior most as Chairman and all his seniors working under him. If all the seniors were incompetent, corrupt you could have removed them. Do you realise in this situation the system will work and generate revenue or there will be lag pulling only. This is how you deal with an organisation who is the revenue generator for GOI. Can you do all these things to an AIS officer, even junior in inter se seniority you cant put him incharge what to talk of many batched junior. Why this malice in Revenue and Revenue officers only. This system needs immediate intervention and things needs to be straitened. Incidentally this is all happening in an organisation which is closest situated to PMO.
Ravi
AICC celebrates IAC
AICC Celebrates IAC? What an emotion: Congress leaders on bail are celebrating the victory of the party born of India Against Corruption? Have the AICC members developed love and respect for clean public life or anti-corruption or remain under the illusion of using anti-corruption as a mere slogan to carry on CWG, 2G, Coal Mines Licensing etc with/without the aid/support of the AAP? May be they take the AAP to be like them only!
M L Gupta

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Merging all services into one is not feasible for all services. For example, it may not be possible to merge the IAS with the IPS? It may be difficult to merge the IFS (Foreign Service) with the Indian Economic Service. Maybe groups of similar services can be merged. So, many services can be merged and fewer services created, for example, the accounts services can perhaps be merged into one service. In addition, appointment to higher posts under Central Staffing Scheme can be made drawing officers from all services, which is already being done under the current government.
Vijay Kumar

Over-optimistic PM is losing mass touch
Rallies after rallies by the ruling dispensation in quick succession. Purpose? Trumpeting achievements to seek voters’ support for impending assemblies’ elections.
On Dec 22,2019, Delhi organised mega rally at Ramlila ground at 1.30 PM.
Dance shows organized to entertain the audience till PM's address. Absolutely, moronic, in the midst of NRC- CAA related violence in the country. With roads closed, the national capital was under siege,once again.
The news-report about looming security threat to PM, though disturbing, seems fabricated news. Public is not impressed. Instead, shocked.
Massive security and logistic arrangement by deploying govt machinaries. All at taxpayers' cost ; not party's funds. No cost-benefit analysis ever carried out by any independent agency? Is the Election Commission neutral?
Office of C&AG seems clueless about misusing public funds for earning political brownie points .Its lips are sealed.
Information gag. Political parties are outside the purview of RTI Act.
Central ministers are marginilised. All are kept happy through hefty remunerations plus undeserved privileges . Motive? To ensure they sign on dotted lines and keep their mouths shut.
Bureaucracy is becoming increasingly pliant,malleable, compliant for keeping their mouths sealed. It is more interested in getting prized postings rather than having concern for public service.
India specialises in cult worship; reminiscent of continuing Nehru-Gandhi dynasty .
Crisis of credibility afflicts the captive news media
The public had expected PM Modi to take back POK. On the contrary, the ruling coalition is busy organising political rallies for garnering peoples' support by carrying out " phoney " referendum on CAA and NRC. "Missed calls" on Mobile No: 7836800500.
Strangely, Mamata Banerjee demanding UN- monitored referendum. Brainless suggestion. The frivolous goings-on are akin to TV Reality shows.
Poll counting for Jharkhand poll is underway. Initial trends are disturbing for BJP.
This is the wake-up call for the ruling coalition at the centre. Arrogance and over-confidence are anathema to nasty politicians.
Excessive visibility of PM Modi on TV , his insane Man ki baat, ( a monologue ) constantly badgering the voters and rendering the NDA out-of-touch with them .
Time for ‘ Chintan and Manthan ‘ in BJP.
Ethics demand ,someone must own the moral responsibility for the ignominious defeat. The moot point is whether this can be taken as a verdict on NRC and the Citizens Amendment Act (CAA)? How have the voters suddenly grown so antagonistic ?
A K Saxena (A former civil servant)
NHAI is in bad shape
Seems true! NHAI is in a very bad shape w.r.t to its HR & own Cadre specially in non technical discipline due to over dependence on deputation officials in policy making and regular officials at CGM level who formulate policy in such a manner that its own cadre never ever be able to see the light of the day. Ministry should take special note of such official's if ever want to make NHAI effectively functional.
Vinay Kumar

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If this happens, it will be an end of hegemony of the generalist IAS.
Regards,
Paarth
To Munishy Moudgil Commissioner, Survey, Settlement in Karnataka
Dear Sir, Please read it completely this is an humble request from my side being a mother. Family is more important than any other commitments, which I think and most people think. But you might think in your mind that “job comes first then rest’….Ok …. I also agree because that is left to the individuals. Let me directly come to the point, Sir please for God sake reduce the number of fields for each surveyor. Present number is 30 which is very difficult for them to do. They are not only surveying the field but also they are sketching the record, both these work they have to complete in a month. Just find out the number of working days in a month, which is less than the number of fields ,Which you might be knowing. So what they have to do ,,finally they have to carry the burden to a home. If they are carrying the office work to home ,then where is the time for them to give for a family. “At home small child is waiting for the father to come home and to play with him. But father is very busy. Not only a son, everybody are waiting….. it may be a wife or a mother or a father …..everybody…….”. You may find this as a funny letter. But just think as a father or as a son or as a husband. But please don’t go to find out who has drafted this letter. And please don’t go to find out who that surveyor is, because my husband didn’t tell me to write a letter. But of course he had mentioned your name once when I had asked him that who can reduce the number of fields, that time he had told me that commissioner can do .So being a small child’s mother ,I only took the initiative to write the letter to you. Hoping that being an educated , you can understand the problems and you will do the needful. And if you think that, this is just a rubbish. I am sorry to say this, that you are not respecting your own mother, then how I could even think of that you will respect others.
Anjali